The scripture is right and true even if Charismatic ministers make up doctrine like the “Seven Mountain Teaching”. What areas of ministry training are you interested in? let cumulatedTime = parseInt(cumulatedTimeElement.value); ..pressure from elders was growing….in mu heart I loved the Lord and felr it was the wrong church and surroundings for myself and family..no regrets for leaving….I know God led me away drom that mess.. I guess this has been a long time coming. This is the conditioning that goes on in the charismatic/Pentecostal church. Therapy is rooted in humanism, so no it will not help your friend but the Truth spoken in love and empowered by the Spirit definitely will. That’s what the Bible says about false teachers. Dr. Swanson has been the Director of the Institute for Prison Ministries (1PM), Billy Graham Center for Evangelism at Wheaton College since 2005. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("id", "tfa_dbElapsedJsTime"); BTW did you live in Hamilton or have friends there? This stuff is so far removed from biblical teaching it’s outrageous. One example is the leadership of apostles and prophets. Was it the charismatic church that you were involved with that was the final straw or was it some experience with The Ramp? I see now I was very wrong. In this movement ministers are worshiped like infallible gods above reproach. Something distinctively not related to anything of the Prince of PEACE. I learned to live from word to word and conference to conference, it was a spiritual high I was chasing. It is Available on ITunes and Also on AmazonMP3 and can also be fount on www.theramp.org. Hello, I stumbled on ur blog after reseavhing Pastor Judy Jacobs( couldnt sleep and saw her on tv) ur story resonated in my heart, group think and rwligion w false teachings is so prevalent…I too was involved w the United Penticostal Church, Antioch , in Arnold Md.some 30 yrs ago…raised Lutheran O was searching and growing my spiriuality….Antioch seemed enlighteningbat the time..Shunning my friends and neighbors, family that didny convert within 6-12 months….agter 3-4 yrs of growing in the chutch, having bible study in my home and attending church 3-4 niggts a week w small children became roo much God was ABOUT to do something amazing in our mist. It became dark and cultish in a way that was scary. Those ministries are considered heretical by many orthodox Christians…I had NO clue. In that moment I said God I’m singing these words to you but I don’t mean it; help me to mean it And he did. Love is a scarce commodity to find in churches and I’ve sat in them for 21 years….scarce. I know he has a meeting place in SC but have not heard any of his messages but I’ve seen enough of him to know to steer clear. I also bear wormed worth something you said about your friend’s reaction to honest conversation. In these emotional services People are spinning and dancing and that must mean we really have the spirit, right? ( Log Out /  I started w the Ramp in my twenties and I’m now in my 40’s. That explains why there are so many churches and different types of churches. My heart goes out to you. As Director, she oversees the Charles W. Colson scholarship program and pursues the goals of the Institute for Prison Ministries through networks, collaboration and strategic partnerships. (The Lord saved me “in spite of” not “because of” the movement) Because I was SO thankful to God for saving me I truly wanted to give my all in service to the church. The Ramp was founded by Karen Wheaton and is headquartered in Hamilton, Alabama. Karen Harris Wheaton Towe is an American Pentecostal preacher, Gospel music singer and recording artist based in Hamilton, Alabama whose career has spanned the late 1970s until the present time. Can’t help thinking the old adage is correct: ‘if you find a perfect church don’t join it. One incident occurred when Judy Jacobs a famous TBN minister got up at the Ramp in a prideful arrogant tone and demanded the young kids at the Ramp (Youth Ministry)  dig down deep in their pockets to give money for an offering so Karen Wheaton could buy a Bentley! The Lord gives us a clear blueprint in the scripture of how the church should be. We believe awakening begins with an encounter. I don’t try and convince my old friends of anything, they have made up their minds but I speak what I know to be the truth. }; Dr. Karen Swanson. Through our conferences, school of ministry, travel events, social media, broadcast program and multiple church locations, The Ramp engages thousands of people each month with the transforming power of the gospel. I’m sure that if you stood behind a pulpit and taught your at least assume that you were teaching scripture. Not John McAurther or Todd Bentley. I agree that well meaning people are deceived. After coming out of all of that the Lord sent me a true friend ,a Christian lady who helped me recover , her husband and her were in the same church and he (her husband had been very abusive ),she however had a strong faith in the Lord and took me under her wing, together we prayed and what a battle ensued as we sought to leave that church, it was Spiritual warfare with a capital S. They came at us from every quarter , including her husband. formTimeDiff += cumulatedTime; Order Online Tickets Tickets See Availability Directions {{::location.tagLine.value.text}} Sponsored Topics. let appendJsTimerElement = function(){ Phone: (205) 921-0909. Thank you. I began to notice a theme; I was all about US and not God. Reviews (205) 921-9361 Website. It or job now to proclaim it in faith. Also there are no “A”postles and “P”prophets in the church today. Prophecies do not tell us everything, but if they are from the Lord, they are not false prophecies. They have forsaken me the fountain of living waters and are drawing from cracked cisterns which hold no water. I am a born again Spirit filled believer in Jesus Christ and I also felt tired of the continual prophecies. wow this resonates so much for me I was so damaged by the charismatic/Pentecostal church as i am now in my 30s, when i was a teen a knew i was gay and i told some trusted people and was told that God would take it away and make me straight basically and that he had a wife for me (i even had a “prophetic” word about it , gradually as i got older i became disillusioned with church, i knew my sexuality was not going to change and i knew that i was not going to get married either so i have decided to stay away from church, my faith is still there but i have become deeply skeptical of the charismatic church in general but also Christians in general though i still believe in the tenants of faith despite the fact i am a gay guy, so now here i am trying to figure all this out and put myself back together after being messed up by the church …. I became increasingly aware that the preachers I was listening to used bible scriptures here and there but mainly they talked of their own experiences and turned it into doctrine. Wolves in sheeps clothing. Being hurt, seeing confusion in the life of my friends lead me back to God. My wife and I have surely been hurt over the years with some of the garage that goes on. It took me until the age of 35 to finally get completely out of this movement. The Great Commission in Mark is, not Marcus. I guess that meant we were really reaching the world with the gospel, I mean we were televised, right? I like going to church for corporate worship singing the old hymns which I believe have powerful lyrics. Total conformity is required to fit in although it is unspoken, everyone knows it. Bethel Reddings visions have filtered into that movement and they do grave soaking. Book. This is my therapy. As regards fellowship, I enjoy attending a very traditional Episcopal church where large sections of all scripture are read and liturgy is the foundation of the communion service. I have been enjoying reading about the revivals of the past when God impacted communities without any involvement of man. Karen Wheaton Ministries in Hamilton, reviews by real people. We will never know the length the width the depth and the breadth of God’s love depending on another human for fullfillment on this earth. It is a Christian Hollywood full of idols and idolatry and it is rampant in these evangelical circles. I looked so holy I’m sure in my Sunday best. The Lord has called me to bring back a pure focus on Him, instead of all the stuff. let jsTimeInput = document.createElement("input"); It’s not said point blank but the overall theme is he is one of the only ones preaching the REAL gospel and that type of hyped up emotional message can radicalize ppl in a very dark way. I researched all these teachers/ministries relentlessly and found the origins of this movement to be corrupted to the core. (Dec 27, 2020) This is from Karen Wheaton Church CD. And I did not mean Catholic Charismatic meetings I just went charismatic meetings. No longer connected to God. I too have seen major abuses in the Charismatic church. I would really like to talk to you one day. They were engaged within a month and within two months had broken off their engagement because God apparently spoke to her again and told her  ” No “. Most of these people didn’t even know the word much less if God was speaking. Definitely not the work of God but Satan. I could not be satisfied living a life apart from God. There is an air of spiritual elitism about it. CONNECT WITH US ON … Kansas City (IHOP), Morningstar Ministries and Bethel Redding are what I considered great men of God preaching the true gospel. This can only come with surrendering our whole hearts to God and His son, He can only offer us this true love we seek. Enjoy! let formElement = document.getElementById("tfa_0"); QUESTIONS? Nothing says,  “I  love you Jesus” l like paying big bucks for the T-shirt of our favorite superstar minister’s new catch phrase and getting a bonus CD half off. I have no animosity. } else if(formElement.attachEvent){ Karen Wheaton is a seasoned Christian minister whose music and preaching has provoked listeners to pursue God in passionate worship for many years. I was a devoted follower of the Ramp, founded by Karen Wheaton featuring Perry stone (OCI ministries) Damon Thompson, Dutch Sheets the N.A.R crowd and many other famous ministers. It sounds good but not God is the way I would describe it. Yelp is a fun and easy way to find, recommend and talk about what’s great and not so great in Hamilton and beyond. Al.com reported that one person was killed and two more were injured, including a 12-year-old girl, when gunfire erupted. View more product. Jewish people are more open to the gospel than at any time in history. This was especially true in the A/G, but I know at least one that is into NAR type stuff. I always thought the verse in 2 Thessalonians 2:11 was peculiar. Some people never discover that and allow the church, or church organization, to be as an idol to them their entire physical lives. formElement.attachEvent('onsubmit', appendJsTimerElement); Book. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. formTimeDiff += cumulatedTime; I have a few stories very similar to that one. 13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. The bible warns 17 times in the NT against wolves/false teachers but ministers selectively pick feel good scriptures and ignore others; you know, the ones that bring them under scrutiny or accountability .Sadly most Christians don’t know bible scripture so they  believe pretty much anything the preacher says. The Word of God through her life and pen wields a crushing blow to the spirit of fear and silences every excuse that keeps us from living in our full potential. Hey, jsTimeInput.setAttribute("type", "hidden"); Thank you very much for sharing your experience with the Charismatic Church. God was treated like a genie in a bottle many times in church services. As I sat in church all these years I couldn’t help but become bored with hours of worship, music, lights, TV cameras and pure emotional hype. However, if we truly want to find God then we need to seek Him individually and with all of our hearts. All the false prophecies and watching friends believed in these lying words to the point it was hurting others and ruining lives. Often churches are made up of what various people, even godly people, believe is to be the correct interpretation of what the scriptures tell us. Get directions, reviews and information for Karen Wheaton Ministries in Hamilton, AL. I was living in perpetual sin and stuck in a cycle. My life has been a series of interesting twists that will hopefully benefit someone out in the ether. Thank God you are free!!! I look back and realize that is abuse. BULK PRICING AVAILABLE . You people are completely nuts and the ones with the problem. Why I Left the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement. My daughter was raised in it as well. Me too left movement at age 20 and is now 25 years ago. Judy Jacobs. P.S. I kept up to date on  things going on in the charismatic movement; Scandal after scandal with International House of Prayer (IHOP), Morning star, Hillsong ministries and the list goes on. His plan is that we ultimately develop a personal relationship with Him and not through somebody or something else. She has toured throughout the U.S. performing at events that also featured preachers and Christian artists such as Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Benny Hinn and the Gaither Homecoming. Email: Store@theramp.org It’s wonderful to know we are not alone. if (null !== cumulatedTime && cumulatedTime > 0) { They might not call it ‘false prophecy.’ They misuse the verse that says, ‘we prophesy in part’ to mean it is okay to prophesy in error. They were given to the church during the breaking in if the gospel to bring the church the inspired word of God as we know it today…accompanied with sign gifts. I am 40 now and began attending in my mid-twenties so I was around when the ramp was at the 180 building in Cleveland TN, and also at the Christian bookstore. The worship leader is always pushing you or manipulating the crowd to be more expressive but it seemed  so contrived like the more exuberant the crowd was the more validated the worship leader felt in doing God’s work. As much talk as there is of accountability it almost never applies to leaders even though they are saved sinners just like everyone else and true, objective, biblical accountability or scrutiny is shunned. let formTimeDiff = Math.floor((new Date).getTime()/1000) - FORM_TIME_START; It is so subtle that it is unrecognizable to the biblically ignorant and undiscerning. } Sorry about some of the typos above. But thank you for writing. The Lord needs us who understand the abuses in the current church to come together without disregarding truth in the scripture. They sent one of their big leaders to me to sort me out, he said I was only fit to be thrown on a dung hill, then in passing he asked to see some of my paintings. Blessings, It was writ in spirit and in truth. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("name", "tfa_dbElapsedJsTime"); The erroneous Seven Mountain Mandate and New Apostolic Reformation doctrines have flooded in. Edit them in the Widget section of the. let cumulatedTimeElement = document.getElementById("tfa_dbCumulatedTime"); I certainly outgrew the emotional hype. I was involved in the Charismatic Movement for 10+ years. It was like scales fell off my eyes and I was free. from HEADJANITOR:. Maybe if I had read it I would have understood how God views false lying prophets and a corrupt priest which brings me to my point, false prophets and corrupt ministers leading many astray has become a staple in the charismatic movement that I could no longer ignore or be a part of with a clear conscious. Also, some of the churches teach an unbiblical idea that false prophecy is okay. The church is sort of like a school. Neither gender nor sexual desires can be a foundation for true love and fulfillment. I consider the Ramp a cult full of false teachings. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("value", formTimeDiff.toString()); The Bible is the standard. I could not believe how many Scriptures were taught incorrectly from the pulpit. } I don’t need to move to a foreign country as a missionary to be mightily used of God or stand behind a pulpit. I even moved to Florida for where so called revival is and I am regretful.. Hi Jessica, yes I did the same. }); document.addEventListener("DOMContentLoaded", function(){ I left college, quit a job, took part in an internship with the church, served until I was exhausted (being in church sometimes 6 days a week), conference after conference, encounter after encounter…serving and serving…until I became tired both physically and spiritually. All I know is the Pentecostal church as undergone some big changes since I first began and none of them are helping people learn bible Scripture or to understand verses in context. God Bless! document.addEventListener("DOMContentLoaded", function(){ jsTimeInput.setAttribute("name", "tfa_dbElapsedJsTime"); Some aren’t really ‘Pentecostal’ per se. When people put more stock in their dreams/visions and feelings and they choose to elevate it above your word they are in delusion. Email: Store@theramp.org } I think she’s deceived and in turn is deceiving others. We go to school to learn so hopefully at some point we’ll be able to venture out on our own and live our own victorious and successful lives, while using many of the things we’ve learned along the way. If you try to have an objective biblical conversation about something that may not be ok, people tend to either make light of what you said or just blankly acknowledge that you said something and happily carry on. I just got out too and this has been off and on for 7 years. He shows us this stuff to create a true and pure focus on Him. The fact that it did not line up with Gods word or his Character made me even more angry. “What you invest in the lives of other young people, you will reap in your own children. P.O. Carnal desire and romantic love fades and becomes so secondary as you grow older and learn with heartache and experience that human love is so failing BUT GOD. Completely His direction as I asked and it bore witness with my spirit. I’ve also lived abroad a lot and my not have my thumb on the pulse of what is going on. There is plenty of room for correction, I’m sure. Email: Store@theramp.org . I was a devoted follower of the Ramp, founded by Karen Wheaton featuring Perry stone (OCI ministries) Damon Thompson, Dutch Sheets the N.A.R crowd and many other famous ministers. formElement.appendChild(jsTimeInput); God why was I  deceived? We get to validate his false prophecies and bad theology and they get our money…win, win? I prayed,  “God I know how I feel about lying prophets and people using your name but how do you feel about it?” I opened the bible and read Jerimiah, bingo! ( Log Out /  They did the “hot seat” where you sit in a chair and people pray over you and ask the Holy Spirit what he saying. I don’t endorse the whole movement. Complete garbage. I did and I know others have whether Charismatic, Pentecostal, Baptist, Anglican, Sally Army, Methodist etc etc. I married my husband, Casey, when I was 18 years old, on Valentine's Day, 2005. My experience in the A/G, and Southeastern Pentecostalism is a much heavier emphasis on the Bible. They claim you are speaking out against the Lords anointed. Um.. no! To tell someone they don’t have the Holy Ghost if they don’t speak in tongues sets people up to speak in fake tongues or doubt their salvation. I could get a fresh prophetic word every Sunday at the altar as people prayed for me. Prayers that ur search for growth in spirituality evolves and younfind the peace in which I have over the years….Peace and Light….thank u for sharingbur story and it gives peace to many hearing the truths regarding Pentecostal- Holiness type churches. I saw so many people using Gods name in the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement it is dizzying. } Religious Organization We’ve seen them set free from sin, addiction, depression, suicide and bondage. } Judy Jacobs is a sent one. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("value", formTimeDiff.toString()); Oddly enough I had to leave church to get mentally/emotionally healthy. If we believe the teaching of any man over the scripture then we are at risk of going into great deception. Our Church actually phased out Sunday morning bible studies and the Wednesday night ones were more secular than anything,  I would call it positive philosophy. Shipping Hours: Monday-Friday 10am-4pm. formElement.addEventListener('submit', appendJsTimerElement, false); They will turn on you like wolves if you dare speak out against  their superstar ministers. Karen Wheaton later corrected Judy Jacobs request but it troubled me that a minister was that out of touch with God to request something so materialist, my body got hot with anger. const FORM_TIME_START = Math.floor((new Date).getTime()/1000); Change ), This is a text widget, which allows you to add text or HTML to your sidebar. I would describe the modern church as apostate and I have left the harlot church system in my rear view. Perhaps millions of young Americans (as well as vast numbers of youth around the world) are being brainwashed by a large and growing network of apostate “Church” leaders whom Satan is using to create a generation of heretics. The church is supposed to be a help in the process of doing this, but it’s not to take the place of God. Email: Store@theramp.org And He has! Paul mentions the idea of bearing false witness of God, claiming He did something He didn’t, in a context that indicates that it is a bad thing to do in I Corinthians 14. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("id", "tfa_dbElapsedJsTime"); Did your journey in this trash cause you to almost commit suicide? Jesus must become our very own Personal Savior. All we would have to do is swap names and your story would become mine. if(formElement.addEventListener){ However they are apart of the ministry of Jesus and whoever is His true disciples. } I told him that did not line up with scripture but he assured me God had spoken to him. It is a very disorienting thing to walk away from a long held belief and a system you have promoted and loved for many years. Charismatic movement for 10+ years been acquainted at one point in time ye first the kingdom of God ’ time! 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